Time-Lost Relic can now be found in Expedition Logbooks. Important. Looks great but I would argue against Sarn Slums getting coloured green. Not that bad. Expedition areas are not part of the Atlas. It drops from Expedition monsters in zones or Logbooks. i believe the base is 1% , so its like getting 50% inc crit on a 1% chance to crit gem. Astragali has the highest drop rate, while Exotic Coinage and Burial Medallion have the highest value. Can also be purchased from Dannig. Now yesterday I wanted to go back to farming Blighted. Have the similar bug. Kind of ironic, without trade Id have never given PoE another shot in 2019 after dropping it since 1 play session in like 2013. Forbidden tomes are reported to be "1. use a orb of horizon if you are missing any map on the same tier (atlas completion bonus helps getting higher maps, it does not change the AMOUNT you drop) use a harbinger orb which gives you a higher map (or a harbinger map of the map base [white/yellow/red]) invite zana into your hideout and check her. Sell the Logbooks (Tujens are worth like 35-45c while dannigs are worth 60c+)This patch contains another batch of Voidborn reliquary submissions, updates to the allocation of items such as Logbooks and Scarabs, and bug fixes of both small- and medium-importance. 3. He's probably just focused on making exalts and skipping expedition encounters/not refreshing merchants. What did they drop?One fucking alch and 3 random rares. Getting chests to open, and activating the towers. Continue to use poe. 2. Not saying you’re wrong, but I agree with OP that it’s more nuanced. SOLUTION : - Go to your Path of Exile folder : C:Program Files (x86)SteamsteamappscommonPath of Exile. Can anyone please help me fix this tragedy?The demand is very high for logbooks and the supply of vendor currency is pretty high. So We'll cover the intricacies of the logbook system. 3. Logbooks don't give lots of rerolls, but T16 sometimes gives 4-6 of them. Your goal is to rack up good. Its just GGG wording which makes people think its wrong, but its not, its working the same way as EVERY other increased mechanic in the game. I am sorry but for a main expedition farmer like myself, Rog is just not worth the time or effort. Press “S” to open your social menu (or navigate to the social menu using your controller), and look for the section at the bottom that says Friend Invite. Also there are mods on each zone and some of those mods. Layer too many, and you die. The other two small rings don't affect logbook much and they are not worth the point. But you still dont have the 4th voidstone. Don't waste time trying to min-max every single logbook, just target what you want (usually want more Artifacts dropping from monsters), look for increased % pack size, path to them early, and avoid making it too difficult for your build. Safe and Instant Delivery. It seems like the chests and runic monsters dont really drop much unless affected by remnants, so quantity on the logbook doesn't seem to really help. Kill boss. XiandreX • 1 yr. Rings aren't counted as valuable rewards from the league. I would try to roll that logbook to at least 30% and 40% respectively. There is a shocking number of people on my friends list who did not realize logbook modifiers are implicits and can be rerolled with blessed orbs. 19: The Bitter Blossom can now drop from Oshabi, Avatar of the Grove. I guess its an improvement overall but considering the drop rate reduction and lack of divining I think they could have been less cautious with many uniques especially if given wide range values. Heist contracts also drop shards and Exalted shards and I‘ve had a few raw drops in Delve as well. Last edited by BodachG on Apr 19, 2021, 5:34:53 PM. they only drop from "big skull" monsters. You are misjudging popularity of TFT by a lot alot ReplyJust luck I think. 23: The Drunken Aristocrat can now drop in the Laboratory Map. U4GM: Buy Cheap Poe Currency and Items (6% off coupon: z123). Expedition Zones visualized - Based off of Grimro's sheet in Excel. of exalts I got from drops/shards this league was only ~12. I think it's because I killed Alira first when he wasn't supposed to drop anything and then I went and talked to Oak and sided with him. Expedition Monsters can use this new defensive mechanic, but players can also play around it with new item bases that can drop from Expedition. Yeah, the mechanic, and even log books should be more rewarding than they are. If it was about fun in the game, in 3. Problem is, I drop way too much rerolls compared to the amount of tujen currencies I use, I always run out and I have 100 rerolls left (also dannig sells a lot of them). 99 or 0. AziasYur. We will fix this specific Arcanist's Strongbox issue. Clearly something not right with either the books or my character. by Constant_Writer_5496. Ive run every encounter in the acts (almost 100 zones!) and dozens of maps before one dropped. He sold me 3 of those (I used around 8 rerolls to buy ancient coinages) iopshfk • 1 mo. Monsters grant 100 % increased Experience. Trade. Since recently I did almost every expedition in maps and have tons of exp currency, but no logbook. 50% increased Quantity of Expedition Logbooks dropped by Runic Monsters in Areas. This is super important. It's pretty hard to lose money running logbooks, hit the pylons that have a chance for monsters/chests to drop stacked decks Or fossils or essences. Expedition is the league mechanic of Expedition league, released in version 3. Instead, rewards are dropped each time you earn them, as. Lets go on to the logbooks! DISCLAIMER: I have not been sweating with setting up the perfect explosions for the logbooks. The Bitter Blossom can now drop from Oshabi, Avatar of the Grove. I've gotten three through act 9. With 4, all. 01^100. ). Generate reports and analytics to track the success of. Nothing. No drop. If this dungeon is uncovered near the end of your detonations with all the dangerous remnant buffs applied, this dungeon is probably as challenging as 100% deli map, if not more. The following is the boss icon in the logbook. Just to confirm, you currently have 28 stones and cannot spawn influence. Same problem here, I have 19/10 boss witnessed and no maven invitations. Unless you ran hundreds of maps, you can’t discount bad RNG. U4GM: Buy Cheap Poe Currency and Items (6% off coupon: z123). Ward is a new defensive property. Best strat is to sell logbooks and buy the vendor currencies for cheap until makrkets rebalance. Some logbooks have different zones with different NPCs, some have the same regardless of which you choose. I spent around 5-7min/logbook and maybe 4-5 hours selling, rolling, buying the logbooks and other stuff. The implicits related to Explosives, as well as the increased Number of Runic Monster Markers, are generally the best to focus on. - 3 scrap metals, 1 exotic coinage, a few Astragali, no Burial medallions. Not a huge sample size, but boss rr currency drops are. There is a chance you're doing Expeditions wrong, but it probably isn't your fault. What I would do is get within 10% of the top roll for each mod. Once you get the rhythm down, you should be clearing logbooks in sub 10 minutes imo. They buffed normal currency rates a bit after the first patches, but I still felt like it was inferior to before for specific currencies. Logbook are an item class used to perform Expeditions. This is. Gwennen, the Gambler, believes not in luck but that good fortune comes only to those who believe hard enough. All-time non-streamer luckless dropless rewardless tons-of-time-playing non-TFT-er 100% solo player. I did some research and most people recommend some kind of DoT build for logbook farming. Naw, goblins drop a ton of useful things. Underground areas can be blown up and accessed using the explosives. Pre-Map - Take in a stack of Remnant of Corruption. Path of Exile is a free online-only action RPG under development by Grinding Gear Games in New Zealand. Second-class poe gamer. check if the map can drop - based on the atlas setup - from the aforementioned "drop pool". 2. Sarn Slums. Yeah I stopped corrupting my logbooks too. It didn't EVER before feel this bad trying to SELF-FARM the gated keys to the end-game content, AKA, guardian maps & invitations. So here is the result of 100 rolls on tujen, I'm level 94 btw. They are mad currency per hour especially league start. logbooks that contain Knights of the Sun (Dannig) or Black Scythe (Tujen) factions are the ones with significant value. Fixed a bug where Caustic Arrow was not spreading Caustic Ground or dealing chaos damage in an area on impact when it pierced enemies. He loves making deals and trying to upsell you. 1 dropped in acts I'm pretty sure. Broken Circle (Gamba) - 20c. Sadly Im still broke because 3-4 of those 25 are dropping as corrupted and I have to run them myself without rolling/splitting them properly. Improvements. 22 strategy you will use to farm Divine Orb s is that you do something on a build that's fun to play, farm whatever you think is fun at a build that you enjoy playing. You do pay 30-70c to get the expedition currency and reroll currency. 2. The probability for dropping the logbooks is very gery low. r/pathofexile A chip A close button A chip A close buttonMap Drop Rules. Zero monsters remaining but stuff did not drop. The Excavated Chest may contain Burial Medallion, Lesser Sun Artifact, Greater Sun Artifact, Grand Sun Artifact and. Btw Dannig sells logbooks very frequently if you refresh his. . Also i think i got pretty lucky with boss spawns, didn't count them. POE 3. Reply POE 3. 5 - Amazing Logbook Drop Rate Cluster . Realistically, FR Totems is broken and can do what you ask. You also get logbooks and refresh currency from him while refreshing. It's just simply way too hard to find divines. I also did all the expedition and all the %logbooks chests that I find plus all the big/small skulls. Brittle: 1,119. Logbooks drop at a stable rate, usually every two to three maps. This is not a problem in SSF, since you will be doing those mechanics anyway. Usually there are approaches in ARPG's to either kill many many small mobs or rather fewer if not just one very strong enemy to drop your loot. A ghost in PoE, on the other hand, rarely drops anything a player even bothers taking time to pick up (if it even shows through their loot filter). 2 Expedition Areas 2 List of logbooks 3 List of logbook mods 4 Version history Locations Logbook Sites Battleground Graves Bluffs Cemetery. Next, we have the final cluster which is Buried Knowledge and this one is phenomenal. Last bumped on Jan 7, 2023, 8:15:26 AM. There is a penalty to the chance of currency items and Divination cards dropping in areas with a monster level more than two levels lower than your character level. Am i missing like a mechanic to get them or are they just that rare?In 3. Try disabling names and clicking in the vicinity of beams. Maps cost on Average of 100 Chaos to Run at Current Prices. 22. 0c Hotfix 2. Which makes sense since your more likely to get a drop from 30 enemies then from 10 with a 50% buff. 625 times as common as natural drop Heist Blueprints. 66% Less Curse Effectiveness. There has been one basic principle for currency-gains in PoE for a very long time: Do what others do not do,. Last edited by Thror2k5 on Aug 3, 2021, 8:58:43 PM. When running expedition in maps or logbooks, I get scant little coins, but the similar rate of every other refresh currency. If anything 98% of influenced bases were less than 5c as early as day 3. done a search for this problem and only found a Reddit. Caused by toggling item names on and off, at which point some names get permanently lost. The Excavated Chest may contain Burial Medallion Burial Medallion Stack Size: 1000 These can be brought to. He is very happy for you to do the fighting so that he can stay safe on the sidelines. It certainly shouldn’t work this way given the way it is worded. (or farm the zone more to drop it). The second farm makes more POE Currency overall but it is much more complicated. They can be taken to Dannig, Warrior Skald to open a portal to the expedition area. I´m level 88, Atlas bonus 85 and I have 0 logbook drops. would appreciate any help and yes im doing only t14+ maps. 99*0. Dannig, Warrior Skald is a NPC introduced in Expedition league. This is super important. Nearly all of them were i81+ for the boss potential. Skele mages do all 3 elements, alternating each cast, seems like u just noticed how Pob's select cold projectiles cast. I've lost count of how many dozens of encounters I've done with +100% log book drop quantity and getting a ton of runic mobs and still nothing. Then the magic happened. Take them to Dannig and he will open an area to any one of the groups that are rolled on that logbook:Finished league with 125 logbooks done 110 of them were drop, and 20 logbooks still in my stash. 50% increased Quantity of Expedition Logbooks found in Excavated Chests. Read what the towers say. Doesn’t contain a boss: then focus on runic monsters. Added 994 more foiled Unique Item options that the Voidborn Reliquary can yield, in addition to 507 that were added with the 3. . With a maximum of 4000 direct Life + Mana Loss, 65% Petrified blood can prevent an additional 7400 (not sure this number correct), thats 11400 total max hit taken. I bought up 5 lvl 83 vorana logbooks and split em to 10, with the intent of running them different ways isolating certain mechanics that may or may not affect boss rr currency. I'm having the same problem with the released version of the game. 1. Or farm logbooks and sell them pretty profit also. 21 Best Cruible League Start Atlas Passive Skill Tree for Map Farming. Expedition logbooks not dropping. Sure I can buy them, I only wanted to make sure there is no mechanic (quest completion etc. It's not like Fyregrass is a very efficient PoE farmer. Increased quantity drop from monsters remnants mod seem to improve the number of logbook drop. 0c Hotfix 2. Finally, Divine Orbs don’t affect the new-added modifiers. Add reduced dmg taken by 30% and cant be crit and you will have hard time clearing logbook but still doable. It wasn't obvious at first to me either. It's just a matter of "doing it right". More chance same way (tho there is not really a more chance anywhere iirc) So no, its not a bug, its not wrong or anything. I'm at full voidstone atlas 114/117 complete 9 favorite maps slots and i have 0 maps drop from 1 delirium orb Jungle valley (+3 gilded scarabs+4sextant mods) It's like 10k mobs per map. ninja data in order to properly gauge the item values (especially for more obscure things like gems). Scorch: 198. Even basic goblins drop legendaries regularly, along with crafting mats, gems, and gold, all things that are useful at basically every point of the game. Device is busy`. Ward is broken when. Report Save Follow. Also if quant affects it it'd be incredibly obvious just comparing scoured maps to 8 mod maps and counting average reroll currencies/logbooks over like 10 maps for each. I have recieved like 3-4 logbooks while doing the campaign and after that since I started mapping I swear I didn't see any logbooks dropping whatsoever. 21 atlas tree strategy helps you progress through the atlas quicker so that you can start farming properly for whichever. runic monsters have 100% chance to drop artifacts, but reroll currency isnt 100%. For anyone who hasn’t run one before, a logbook mission is basically one big map-sized expedition encounter where you get 20 explosions instead of the 4-5 you get in maps. Acquisition. Thank you, i knew each had their own implicits, but just figured id ask. They're fun, but not rewarding (at least at low levels). When excavating with Dannig, the area may spawn Runic monsters known as Knight of the Sun. [another "just run it" logbook. And if you do that for multiple hours in like red maps and you put any altar, that's all you have to do. He’s helpful, concerned, and a bit fearful. To encounter this boss, players must use a Sacred Blossom in the map device. 99*0. 50% increased Quantity of Expedition Logbooks dropped by Runic Monsters in your Maps; Your Maps contain 20% increased number of Runic Monster Markers;. •. 333% increase, then the first set of encounters per drop would be 1 every 26 encounters increased to 1 every 15 encounters. PoE Bots and Programs [Release] [ExileApi/PoEHelper/POEHUD plugin] TujenMem (Tujen Support Plugin - Haggle/Prepare Logbooks) If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ . 13. It has restrictions on where or how it can drop. 0. Logbooks started to drop ~T13 for me, before that expeditions were rather underwhelming. Inquistor also care very little about curses from mods/remnants. Examples of calculation rules: Each 10 meters of UTP unshielded cable loses 1% power from the Watts max in the origin (14,85W after 10 meters, 14,7W after 20 meters, 14,55W after 30 meters, etc. Last league I would get at least 2 per map sometimes even upto 4-5 if lucky. 1% chance to get 10,000c every map (meaning 'on average' you still get 10c per map over 1000 maps) you have better than a 10% chance to have stone nothing after running over 2,000 maps. ESARPE • 3 yr. Sometimes, you can find one of them in an Expedition Logbook. The higher bosses might be more rare. Not dropping any Sanctified Relics. Allocating “Trade Embargo” on the atlas passive tree prevents logbooks from dropping . Since last patch I've seen 2 logbook drops in 90 T14+ maps (yes I counted). The Drunken Aristocrat can now drop in the Laboratory Map. It's not really the layouts that are expensive, its when its either Knights of sun or Black Scythe Mercs for the NPC currency you get back. Im running 30maps an hour, forcing expd on every map and dropping 25+ logbooks per hour. Ofc this will be easier in a logbook due to sheer numbers of remants. So let's say on average 10 mins per logbook, 2 ex profit per, that's still 12 ex per hour. There’s almost no way to verify this. Each 100 meters of FTP shielded cable looses a 5% power (14,25W after 100 meters, 13,5375W after 200 meters, 12,860625W after 300 meters, etc. Then try again. especially if like some people you found Ritual to have been the pinnacle patch of POE and everything since besides the Atlas tree, has been pure shark jump. the remnant only increases their drop chance by 50%. Sadly Im still broke because 3-4 of those 25 are dropping as corrupted and I have to run them myself without rolling/splitting them properly. My thoughts are that only the big passive ring matters because of additional Suffix, Explosive Radius, Explosive Placement Range, and number of Explosives. On the other side, the current trade system is one of my #1 gripes and likely reasons Id quit the game/end leagues. Also i think i got pretty lucky with boss spawns, didn't count them. Related Unique Items. So that seems like it could be easily tracked now. The False Hope;. Dannig is the leader of the Expedition and wants to facilitate your trades with his countrymen. Same here, bought one invitation for like 3c. But because how the atlas bonus works, you will never drop a t14, all t14 maps are guaranted to be convertet into a t15 map and with a 40% chance to be convertet into a t16. And maximize what you can get. only runic monsters can drop Reroll currency, artifact can be dropped from normal mobs, but the chances is really low. If the map can drop, it drops. It is not regular drop chance + an additive 35% chance. Your screen to turn to poop when triggered but maybe it will help maintain smoother gameplay during FPS drops. Use it if you don't like it or don't want to plan your route then sell the rest that drop but do the first one. Expedition logbooks not dropping. 1. After that there are an infinite set of multiples (like, 1 every 52 encounters increased to 1 every 30 encounters and so on) There is a spreadsheet somewhere on a computer in Auckland, NZ. 50 % increased Quantity of Artifacts found in Excavated Chests. Maps suddenly stopped dropping and I couldn't figure out why. Ive played for around 30 to 40 hours, currently at yellow maps, but i dont seem to get any Logbook drops. Oshabi, Avatar of the Grove is the final boss of the Harvest mechanic . Very Annoying, not sure if other people are getting this. Look through you stash if you have a haewark hamlet invitation, if not, you can always buy one on the trade site. But I won’t skip it, because it offers one of the best rewards in game. Dannig is interested in specific types of runed artifacts and wants to trade these from you for a variety of options such as currency that lets you reroll vendor inventories, logbooks, or artifacts that the other Kalguuran traders are looking for. Rog can be pog but it takes a while to know what to look for and how to roll the item etc. Havent seen one of them while No Lifeing PoE. The following values are skill base values and do not include map affix bonuses, monster buff bonuses, altar bonuses, atlas skill bonuses, monster base damage (ex: The Maven 150% multiplier), monster rarity bonuses (ex: unique 70% more, unique 33% less). You are not dropping any map beside your favourite, which means if you have a bad luck streak not only will you not have your favourite maps, you will not even have other maps to vendor (3x maps of a tier give you 1 map of the next tier), or to change with harbinger orb or orb of horizons, or to trade for currency. 3) delve does drop maps, you aren't doing it at all 4) betrayal does drop maps and scarabs, you aren't doing it at all. Then realized at level 82 i have not had 1 single logbook drop. The chance of it not dropping 5 times in a row is 0. Today i got one logbook,rolled it nicely with pack size and close to 90 iiq. I'm 75 and have 3. With the Blight passives there I hadquite a lot of Blight maps drop: about 1 blighted map per 2 maps on average. Game Mechanics Expedition Logbooks, never dropping? View Staff Posts Post Reply Forum Index » Bug Reports » View Thread Path of Exile is a free online-only. A hidden dungeon that is bigger than many maps inside logbook that is INSANELY dense filled with runic monsters. The past 2 weeks have been horrible. upgrade maps with the 3 for 1 recipe. It does not affect chests, but it does affect Runic Monsters, which are the ones that drop the reroll currency, which is +80% of the value in Logbooks. (lvl 90 as of now) Got 3 pre-maps and none after reaching maps. Server: PC, Xbox, PS. 50 % increased Quantity of Artifacts dropped by Monsters. ). Wanna talk about Expedition farmi. Yes, reroll the implicits with Blessed Orbs and Alchemy/Scour until you hit at least +70% quantity. Runic Gloves is an Expedition Base Type item. ago. Right click on "PathOfExileSteam" and launch as an administrator. Here is an example of the boss marker. It blew my mind when I found out that some suffixes on remnants increase the chance for a logbook to drop and you should pick those up first to explode. If we asume the increase is 53. white logbook, 2 non-quantity remnants - 8. You need to select the modifier that says that mobs might drop logbooks when you get to an excavation site. When running the logbooks look for remnants that say that Runic Monsters drop 40% more items, and then focus on getting as many Runic Monsters (Big Skulls on sticks) as possible. Yes, I do run red maps and go full focus on logbook remnants and go for fully logbook-juiced. Expedition Logbook has restrictions on where or how it can drop. So, when you play a game of probabilities, unless there's a pity counter implemented (a guaranteed drop or spawn. These expeditions have an increased chance of dropping logbooks and re-rolls, which can be valuable currency items. 50% Cold. Can anyone suggest what I might be missing?But part of your problem is this. Vendor Offer. . Logbooks "increased quantity of items" & artifacts . i do blighted in maps, because its more profitable then running the blighted maps. 3. 2. 0. I have recieved like 3-4 logbooks while doing the campaign and after that since I started mapping I swear I didn't see any logbooks dropping whatsoever. Meanwhile with 2x remnants giving 100% inc. . Poisen in later acts till endgame can decimate your health within seconds. User would just need too read the affixed before hitting detonate. 1c Patch Notes. During your Expeditions in Path of Exile: Expedition league, you may discover Logbooks. Never. If that's correct, something is clearly bugged and you should report it in the bug forum. 1. . Last bumped on Apr 23, 2021, 6:55:47 AM. The following is the boss icon in the logbook. +200 to Ward Requires Level 27 Restores Ward on use Right click to drink. It is basically mandatory on Logbooks. . i started my char like ssf till i reached like t14 and first i tried to farm tabula in blood aqueduct. - Your game is now in x32 and not x64. I just dropped the one regarding Elder gardians and cortex maps but no regular 10 boss invitations. Ward: 20 - 141. Order is important. Game Mechanics Expedition Logbooks, never dropping? View Staff Posts Post Reply Forum Index » Bug Reports » View Thread Path of Exile is a free online-only action RPG under development by Grinding Gear Games in New Zealand. Sometimes you get 1 exception black scythe = 0. Let me know what you guys think of the Logbook Guide. Every single runic monster gave me some kind of orbs,but not the bosses,no they don't count. Runic Monsters have 15% chance to drop additional Broken Circle Artifacts: 1: Unique:on Nov 9, 2021, 3:44:12 PM. High level blueprints are the same but people don't run them for bases, more the currency loot which can roll any ilvl. 0. For reference, in 3. I've had my last two logbooks from Rog's expeditions. 2. 24About as rare as bps were in heist which is not that rare. Lets go on to the logbooks! DISCLAIMER: I have not been sweating with setting up the perfect explosions for the logbooks. r/PathOfExileBuilds •. " - Randomly in any map in their natural habitat. If you only have, for example, t1-4 and t14-16, you should drop mostly t14-16. . Fyregrass should take a lesson in logbook farming from OP. Its funny I always seem to find them on encounters which don't have any logbook-related remnants. The massive regal orb drop rate nerf happened after Heist League due to the trinkets that could convert Regal to Exalt. Or farm logbooks and sell them pretty profit also. ago. I would love to try the league mechanic, but I don't want to resort to buy 1. Need Help Making Currency, Check Out Some Strategies Here!Hang Out On Twitchh. You can find the upcoming changes here. Path Of Exile Solo Farm Tip 2. I've gotten 21 Tujen coins from a single logbook before. Set to trigger at around 45-60fps. Message says to accept Maven's Invitation. So here is the result of 100 rolls on tujen, I'm level 94 btw. Make sure to have labels enabled (z), that might make it easier to see. Blight maps not dropping. Fast and safe with explosions and giga tankiness. There are 117 maps to complete, and this will provide the bulk of your Atlas passive points. You can occasionally find the "higher chance to drop log-book" remnants but as we all know, when the chance to drop is near zero, those multipliers barely make a difference. Don't know how much profit you would expect, but im happy about the outcome. If not, keep an eye open for expedition remnants with increased chance to drop logbooks and try to spawn as many of the runic monsters (big skulls) as possible. 22. level 2 · 4 mo. Upon entering The Sacred Grove this way, there will be an. Wanna talk about Expedition farmi. The Army of Blood can now drop in Poorjoy's Asylum. Rerolls were 5-14 per map regardless of vendor. maps from bosses are not dropping, or if they do drop, maps are several tiers below the tier of the current map. I equip 4 voidstones and dont drop a. 15 Expedition league, a new mechanic was added: Logbooks. In a1-10 I found 2 and then bought one from the vendor guy. You should be able to get the Invitation if you continue running maps in the Region (The Maven doesn't need to witness the fight for the Invitation to drop). There are so many specific rewards from runic monsters and excavated chests and yet you didn't give the bosses any.